I'm the contact person for this topic but also Bach Nguyen, Humberto Duque and Agnes Pockels (agnes_pockels) are here -- but anyone else can feel free to join and contribute, speak up!

Hi everyone,

Sorry this has been delayed by a few days. We focused energy on getting the Experiment #2 planning website together, which is a transitional website between temporary.fi and whatever will come next (but with all of the user logins transferred over, so you can just log in with your Temporary account). This is to help us have a central place to communicate, which I realise not everyone will want to use, but that's OK. As agryfp suggested at the first meeting, we should try to communicate using the tools we created. So please visit https://experiment2.biathlon.io and have a look!

Anyway ... Agnes Pockels (agnes_pockels) and I have set up this site which is basically just a forum to allow us to discuss things and plan. We've made a discussion topic for each of the 'clusters' or subgroups discussed at meeting #3, and I took the liberty of adding everyone who expressed interest in each group to get email notifications for those topics. (You can change your notification settings for each topic yourself). I am posting this now as a comment on the topic for 'Formation of Legal Entity and Bank Access'.

Regarding the formation of the legal entity - I propose we try to meet sometime this week, a week later than planned, but hopefully before Friday's general meeting. We need to formally sit down and write up the founding documents. https://yrityssuomi.fi/en/osuuskunnan-saannot-ja-perustamiskirja has more info on what we need. We will set the rules of the cooperative, and choose a Chairperson and Managing Director. We also need a minimum of three incorporators, but we should actually have 7 because otherwise we are liable to pay mandatory insurance for every member.

The selling of stakes can legally function as buying shares in the cooperative, which means no need to worry about ALV/VAT. Anyone who buys a share becomes a member automatically, if we say so in our rules. And the standard for Finnish coops is one member, one vote, no matter how many shares they own; though we can change that in our rules. Of course, this would only refer to legal votes regarding the cooperative; how we deal with stakes and Temps and booking the space etc can be up to us, as that doesn't need to touch anything legal.

Here's an English translation of the Finnish Cooperative Act I found, which is really helpful: http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/kaannokset/2001/en20011488.pdf though long. I have requested a meeting with Enterprise Finland to go through a few questions but it can actually be pretty straightforward.

Only four of us signed up for this topic though hector wrote me so maybe we just forgot to write his name down -- and I will forward this to a few other people so we can get to 7.

Oh yeah - we also need 380€ to pay the registration fee. So let's think about how much we can all contribute to that. Could 10 of us throw in 38€? That is money we'll never get back even this experiment is a failure, so that's the 'risk'.

As to meeting, Tuesday is no good for me this week but other days are fine. What works for others?

Hi I'm in indeed, money is also fine, I could do wednesday afternoon, thursday morning, friday morning. But although it would be nice to have it set up before our meeting, I guess agreeing on a meeting time all together this friday might be easier?

I think the best would be to make a rough draft of the rules and present them at the meeting on Friday, then if no one objects we can go Monday to incorporate. Tomorrow (Thursday) will be a good time to work on the rules, if anyone wants to meet, and also daytime Friday.

Here is the rough draft of the rules: http://pad.temporary.fi/p/oskrules

In the other thread I proposed Dazzle, however a group of zebras can also be called a Zeal. So the cooperative can be Zeal, and the space Dazzle